Really fun take on the mystery dungeon formula that has you gathering materials during a dungeon run to build a castle for the town shiren has found himself in. It manages to pack a lot of interesting tension into that concept: do you stockpile loads of materials at the expense of more immediately useful items? Do you take the higher quality materials that take up more inventory space, or risk the castle getting damaged in an attack by taking multiple lower quality materials? And that's on top of all the materials having effects that can get you out of a pinch if you use them up! It's a lot more forgiving that the other Shiren titles and you can expect to clear most of your runs, the real issue is, did you clear it well enough to make progress on the castle? This aspect makes it quite a good intro to the series as you won't be completely failing runs nearly as often (given that in other shiren games the main game is over once you've completed a run).
The game honestly feels a little ahead of it's time, insofar as it more closely resembles a more modern "rogue-lite" game with it's multi run progression than it's rougelike contemporaries.
I played the fan translation and despite being overly literal in some places the game's humour still shines through and most of it's jokes landed for me. It's that very silly, often slightly slapstick, style of humour that you found in a lot of games of the era and for the most part it makes playing through the dialogue scenes quite charming.
The graphics are suprisingly nice as well, the 3d environments have that classic nostalgic N64 look to them and I found a lot of the game very soothing to look at. The music is by the Dragon Quest guy though which means there aren't really many standout tracks, maybe one or two I actually liked (pretty normal for DQ music).
My only real complaint is how fiddly the inventory management is, having to put everything it pots to increase how much you can carry.
Really glad to have given this a shot!
The game honestly feels a little ahead of it's time, insofar as it more closely resembles a more modern "rogue-lite" game with it's multi run progression than it's rougelike contemporaries.
I played the fan translation and despite being overly literal in some places the game's humour still shines through and most of it's jokes landed for me. It's that very silly, often slightly slapstick, style of humour that you found in a lot of games of the era and for the most part it makes playing through the dialogue scenes quite charming.
The graphics are suprisingly nice as well, the 3d environments have that classic nostalgic N64 look to them and I found a lot of the game very soothing to look at. The music is by the Dragon Quest guy though which means there aren't really many standout tracks, maybe one or two I actually liked (pretty normal for DQ music).
My only real complaint is how fiddly the inventory management is, having to put everything it pots to increase how much you can carry.
Really glad to have given this a shot!
At first, I tried to play this game like it was Shiren 1: attacking the dungeon fresh every time with no items brought over from previous forays. Now, whereas Shiren 1 initially presents one dungeon, the epic 30-floor Table Mountain, Shiren 2 offers three, each gated behind the last: the 10-floor Shuten Trail Easy, the 13-floor Shuten Trail Medium, and the 15-floor Shuten Trail Hard. None of them are as good as Table Mountain—their environments aren't as diverse, their fixed floors aren't as gorgeous, they don't sell the journey as well—and Shuten Trail Hard lives up to its name; I spent a while bashing my head against it before I finished it, and I didn't entirely enjoy the process.
Shiren 1 was a hardcore item management sim with some crafting elements, but Shiren 2 leans more into crafting: you can fuse equipment together not only using fusion pots but also with a new enemy, the Mixer, who also lets you fuse equipment with consumable items to give it special effects. As a result, success depends a bit less on how well you manage your items and a bit more on how many broken effects you can stack on your sword—and when you're not guaranteed to find the items you need to do that, when you indeed might not find a sword at all for several floors, that makes the experience less enjoyable. And unlike in Shiren 1, beating the game requires you to clear these dungeons again and again and again as you gather resources to build your castle. Furthermore, carrying items between runs has gone from painful to trivial, with a much larger storehouse and more opportunities to stock it. (Technically it works the same way—following a successful run, you return to town with your inventory intact, giving you the opportunity to store everything—but in Shiren 1 a single successful run meant you had won the game, so there wasn't much point.)
But after clearing Shuten Trail Hard for the first time, I threw my "no external items" rule out the window and started bringing in everything. I brought so many consumables that dying was nearly impossible; I brought the same sword and shield into every trip, upgrading them until enemies could hardly scratch me and I could wipe them out in a single hit. And I had much more fun doing that—I enjoyed it almost as much as I did Shiren 1 (I still found repeatedly clearing the same dungeon a little repetitive, no escaping that). In Shiren 1, inter-run progression was a sideshow, but here it's the focus: building up your castle, building up your Katana+25, building friendships with the NPCs. And you can't just pretend it isn't.
The final dungeon, Onigashima, was a bit of a letdown: I once again tried to beat it without any items and didn't really enjoy it; and when I relented, I cleared it on my first try without any struggle. Anticlimactic!
The art and writing are also going for something completely different this time around: less mythic, more cartoony. I think the former is a slight downgrade: Shiren 1 is one of the best-looking games on SNES and Shiren 2 is merely very pretty. The latter is a matter of taste, since the biggest change is making the writing a focus at all, but I found the cutscenes funny (and incredibly well-directed, particularly the sequence after a successful Shuten Trail run where Shiren rafts triumphantly down the mountain with his new castle parts in tow).
The sountrack has a few too many Shiren 1 remixes, but it isn't as bad as Torneko 2, where every track was a Torneko 1 remix—which were all variations on the same motif to begin with!
I haven't played the postgame yet and I don't know if I will. I came away from Shiren 1's postgame frustrated—I couldn't beat the third postgame dungeon and I hated the second (the first was fine).
If you can accept Shiren 2 for what it is, it's a worthy sequel.
Shiren 1 was a hardcore item management sim with some crafting elements, but Shiren 2 leans more into crafting: you can fuse equipment together not only using fusion pots but also with a new enemy, the Mixer, who also lets you fuse equipment with consumable items to give it special effects. As a result, success depends a bit less on how well you manage your items and a bit more on how many broken effects you can stack on your sword—and when you're not guaranteed to find the items you need to do that, when you indeed might not find a sword at all for several floors, that makes the experience less enjoyable. And unlike in Shiren 1, beating the game requires you to clear these dungeons again and again and again as you gather resources to build your castle. Furthermore, carrying items between runs has gone from painful to trivial, with a much larger storehouse and more opportunities to stock it. (Technically it works the same way—following a successful run, you return to town with your inventory intact, giving you the opportunity to store everything—but in Shiren 1 a single successful run meant you had won the game, so there wasn't much point.)
But after clearing Shuten Trail Hard for the first time, I threw my "no external items" rule out the window and started bringing in everything. I brought so many consumables that dying was nearly impossible; I brought the same sword and shield into every trip, upgrading them until enemies could hardly scratch me and I could wipe them out in a single hit. And I had much more fun doing that—I enjoyed it almost as much as I did Shiren 1 (I still found repeatedly clearing the same dungeon a little repetitive, no escaping that). In Shiren 1, inter-run progression was a sideshow, but here it's the focus: building up your castle, building up your Katana+25, building friendships with the NPCs. And you can't just pretend it isn't.
The final dungeon, Onigashima, was a bit of a letdown: I once again tried to beat it without any items and didn't really enjoy it; and when I relented, I cleared it on my first try without any struggle. Anticlimactic!
The art and writing are also going for something completely different this time around: less mythic, more cartoony. I think the former is a slight downgrade: Shiren 1 is one of the best-looking games on SNES and Shiren 2 is merely very pretty. The latter is a matter of taste, since the biggest change is making the writing a focus at all, but I found the cutscenes funny (and incredibly well-directed, particularly the sequence after a successful Shuten Trail run where Shiren rafts triumphantly down the mountain with his new castle parts in tow).
The sountrack has a few too many Shiren 1 remixes, but it isn't as bad as Torneko 2, where every track was a Torneko 1 remix—which were all variations on the same motif to begin with!
I haven't played the postgame yet and I don't know if I will. I came away from Shiren 1's postgame frustrated—I couldn't beat the third postgame dungeon and I hated the second (the first was fine).
If you can accept Shiren 2 for what it is, it's a worthy sequel.