Shymain
2023
To those pointing out that this game cribs all of its ideas from Chrono Trigger without understanding them, I must raise one objection -- it takes some of them from Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. Put some respect on its name!
Anyways, mid game that briefly gets better around the beginning of the 2nd act but ultimately is just an overly involved slog of a JRPG.
Anyways, mid game that briefly gets better around the beginning of the 2nd act but ultimately is just an overly involved slog of a JRPG.
2021
there's a point halfway through where you realize a lot of what you assumed was just humor because of the satirical tone of the writing was just the game saying what it meant. like, okay, let's examine the white supremacy shit: there is no route where the text is "hell yeah we love white supremacy it rocks!" and the joke is that this is a stupid text. the text itself is instead very explicit about how this is an abhorrent and violent ideology which even treating with apathy is wrong. the joke is, holy shit isn't it fucked up that we're just kinda describing the real world at you? people believe this and act like this?
so then there is no reason to believe that the rest of what this game is saying on the surface level is any less sincere and straightforward. and man it has some powerful shit to say at times, i'll be honest. some parts toward the end of my playthrough had a fairly strong emotional impact. feminist kino.
so then there is no reason to believe that the rest of what this game is saying on the surface level is any less sincere and straightforward. and man it has some powerful shit to say at times, i'll be honest. some parts toward the end of my playthrough had a fairly strong emotional impact. feminist kino.
2023
I took a week after 100%ing the game to think about it, and in retrospect, I'm more disappointed with it than I was at first.
There's a very unfortunate tendency in game writing that seems to pop up when a game wants to be "about" some Big Idea. Almost every time that Big Idea is some variation of existentialism, "we make our own meaning," so on and so forth. This tendency is to start reading Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy articles at you, couched in very poorly written original prose. There are, I think, a few obvious problems with this.
First and foremost is that a well-written game very rarely has to tell you what it is About. This is one of the reasons I actually think I enjoyed the demo a lot more -- the general idea that our actions literally changed who the princess was and how we perceived her and that reality was a mutually created spiral was already obvious without a single word being written about it. Unfortunately, it seems like the creators didn't really trust that audiences would Get It, and thus they leaned much deeper into the explicit conceptual stuff in the full game. The full game is so bloated with the internal cosmology that it seems to have no room to actually substantially explore anything.
Secondly: Listen, no disrespect, but laymen (I am one of these!) trying to explain philosophy at you pretty much always goes poorly. To communicate your Big Idea well, you need to be internally precise and clear about what your Big Idea is, and know how to put that precision and clarity into words. If all you can really accomplish is a string of mixed metaphors that vaguely hand-wave towards an idea, it does make me question if you even knew exactly what you wanted to say. I don't think this game really did -- some sort of mashup between "you make your own meaning" and "change is inevitable" and "you experience the world and yourself through other people," all of which are generally very broad and potent ideas that have been explored a ton through various works, and none of which this game really seemed to explore beyond a surface level of just Informing You Of The Idea. It's a very Nier: Automata approach to Big Ideas.
Finally, maybe a bit of a personal gripe, but I don't even think that the "reading an SEP article at the player" approach is necessarily bad. I'm open to the idea, but if you're gonna do it, I'd at least like the article you read at me to be a little more novel? Hit me with some weird-ass niche stuff that I'd struggle to read and make it more interesting! Be a weird little guy that explores weird little ideas and pelt me with that shit! I love learning about new stuff. I think it's inherently interesting. But dear god I cannot stand having games just tell me "hey! listen! did you know... we make our own meaning?" on repeat. I got it! I understand!
All that said: I don't think Slay the Princess is bad. I liked the voice acting a lot, the art was neat, the writing was (at first) a less insufferable and more clever version of the Stanley Parable kind of writing, and generally I'm always excited for new things from this dev team. Scarlet Hollow is one of my favorite VNs, it's just excellent on all fronts and I always highly recommend it! It's just too bad that this game got deeply caught up in a poorly crafted conceptual structure rather than leaning into the strengths of this dev team (very good character writing and slow burn spooky vibes).
It could have been a lot worse. They could have named a giant robot Nietzsche. Thank god there aren't any games that do that.
There's a very unfortunate tendency in game writing that seems to pop up when a game wants to be "about" some Big Idea. Almost every time that Big Idea is some variation of existentialism, "we make our own meaning," so on and so forth. This tendency is to start reading Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy articles at you, couched in very poorly written original prose. There are, I think, a few obvious problems with this.
First and foremost is that a well-written game very rarely has to tell you what it is About. This is one of the reasons I actually think I enjoyed the demo a lot more -- the general idea that our actions literally changed who the princess was and how we perceived her and that reality was a mutually created spiral was already obvious without a single word being written about it. Unfortunately, it seems like the creators didn't really trust that audiences would Get It, and thus they leaned much deeper into the explicit conceptual stuff in the full game. The full game is so bloated with the internal cosmology that it seems to have no room to actually substantially explore anything.
Secondly: Listen, no disrespect, but laymen (I am one of these!) trying to explain philosophy at you pretty much always goes poorly. To communicate your Big Idea well, you need to be internally precise and clear about what your Big Idea is, and know how to put that precision and clarity into words. If all you can really accomplish is a string of mixed metaphors that vaguely hand-wave towards an idea, it does make me question if you even knew exactly what you wanted to say. I don't think this game really did -- some sort of mashup between "you make your own meaning" and "change is inevitable" and "you experience the world and yourself through other people," all of which are generally very broad and potent ideas that have been explored a ton through various works, and none of which this game really seemed to explore beyond a surface level of just Informing You Of The Idea. It's a very Nier: Automata approach to Big Ideas.
Finally, maybe a bit of a personal gripe, but I don't even think that the "reading an SEP article at the player" approach is necessarily bad. I'm open to the idea, but if you're gonna do it, I'd at least like the article you read at me to be a little more novel? Hit me with some weird-ass niche stuff that I'd struggle to read and make it more interesting! Be a weird little guy that explores weird little ideas and pelt me with that shit! I love learning about new stuff. I think it's inherently interesting. But dear god I cannot stand having games just tell me "hey! listen! did you know... we make our own meaning?" on repeat. I got it! I understand!
All that said: I don't think Slay the Princess is bad. I liked the voice acting a lot, the art was neat, the writing was (at first) a less insufferable and more clever version of the Stanley Parable kind of writing, and generally I'm always excited for new things from this dev team. Scarlet Hollow is one of my favorite VNs, it's just excellent on all fronts and I always highly recommend it! It's just too bad that this game got deeply caught up in a poorly crafted conceptual structure rather than leaning into the strengths of this dev team (very good character writing and slow burn spooky vibes).
It could have been a lot worse. They could have named a giant robot Nietzsche. Thank god there aren't any games that do that.