listing persona characters by how their casts would respond to trans people
we will be breaking into the following categories:
Is a Terf
Is Not A Terf
Is Not Educated On The Subject Of Trans People But Would Be Cool
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them
Is A Chaser
Persona 2 lumped together, and characters returning from Persona 1 may be reevaluated but Persona 3 characters returning in Arena will not be. I haven't played Tactica yet and it may be a while before I get to it so I didn't include those guys either but I might come update this with them. It's been a minute since I played 2 or 4 so they may need future revisions. In general I kind of included or excluded characters arbitrarily.
I tried to base this on the content of the games and not the better versions of these guys I have made up in my head but that’s a difficult line to find when you’re as lost in the sauce as I am.
Being present across games, Igor and Philemon will not be listed but Igor is Not A Terf and Philemon Is A Terf.
I excluded the concept of anyone being trans themselves, that's a separate list but i have THOSE OPINIONS TOO
okay.
Is a Terf
Is Not A Terf
Is Not Educated On The Subject Of Trans People But Would Be Cool
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them
Is A Chaser
Persona 2 lumped together, and characters returning from Persona 1 may be reevaluated but Persona 3 characters returning in Arena will not be. I haven't played Tactica yet and it may be a while before I get to it so I didn't include those guys either but I might come update this with them. It's been a minute since I played 2 or 4 so they may need future revisions. In general I kind of included or excluded characters arbitrarily.
I tried to base this on the content of the games and not the better versions of these guys I have made up in my head but that’s a difficult line to find when you’re as lost in the sauce as I am.
Being present across games, Igor and Philemon will not be listed but Igor is Not A Terf and Philemon Is A Terf.
I excluded the concept of anyone being trans themselves, that's a separate list but i have THOSE OPINIONS TOO
okay.
10 Games
neither Zen nor Rei are terfs
Nagi Is A Terf
Hikari has not thought about it but Would Not Be A Terf
the darkness blob monster barf guy is not a terf
Hikari has not thought about it but Would Not Be A Terf
the darkness blob monster barf guy is not a terf
Is a Terf: Tomoe, if she is a channer
Is Not A Terf: Tomoe, if she is not a channer, Nozomi, Hatsune Miku
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Kanami, Sumomo, The Eerie Voice, Rise's Manager
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Tamami, Kyoka
Is A Chaser: I think nobody in this one!
Is Not A Terf: Tomoe, if she is not a channer, Nozomi, Hatsune Miku
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Kanami, Sumomo, The Eerie Voice, Rise's Manager
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Tamami, Kyoka
Is A Chaser: I think nobody in this one!
Is a Terf: Hidehiko, Vice Principal Guy, Chisato, Yosuke, Kandori
Is Not A Terf: Naoya, Party Maki, Reiji, Yukino, Yamaoka, Ms Takami, The Night Queen, Tamaki, Yuko
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Ayase, Eriko, Mai
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Nanjo, Tadashi, Kenta
Is A Chaser: Masao
Is Not A Terf: Naoya, Party Maki, Reiji, Yukino, Yamaoka, Ms Takami, The Night Queen, Tamaki, Yuko
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Ayase, Eriko, Mai
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Nanjo, Tadashi, Kenta
Is A Chaser: Masao
Is a Terf: Minazuki, The Malevolent Entity
Is Not A Terf: Labrys, Unit 24, Kikuno
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Shadow Labrys
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Nobody this time!
Is A Chaser: Sho
Is Not A Terf: Labrys, Unit 24, Kikuno
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Shadow Labrys
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Nobody this time!
Is A Chaser: Sho
Is a Terf: Zenkichi, Mariko, Akira Konoe, EMMA
Is Not A Terf: Sophia, Alice,
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Ichinose
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Kaburagi
Is A Chaser: Ango, also Kaburagi, Owada
Is Not A Terf: Sophia, Alice,
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Ichinose
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Kaburagi
Is A Chaser: Ango, also Kaburagi, Owada
Is a Terf: Kenji, Chihiro, Ken (he’ll grow out of it), Ms. Toriyumi, Takaya, Metis
Is Not A Terf: Makoto, Yukari, Fuuka, Shinjiro, Mitsuru, Aigis, Koromaru, Mitsuko, Maiko, Bebe, Ikutsuki, Pharos, Akinari, Mamoru, Saori, Kotone, Elizabeth, Chidori, Mitsuru’s Dad, Jin, Nyx
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Akihiko, Bunkichi, Kaz, Yuko, Natsuki, Theo, Kurosawa
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Junpei, Hidetoshi, Nozomi, Rio
Is A Chaser: Tanaka, Mutatsu, Ryoji, possibly also Junpei
Is Not A Terf: Makoto, Yukari, Fuuka, Shinjiro, Mitsuru, Aigis, Koromaru, Mitsuko, Maiko, Bebe, Ikutsuki, Pharos, Akinari, Mamoru, Saori, Kotone, Elizabeth, Chidori, Mitsuru’s Dad, Jin, Nyx
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Akihiko, Bunkichi, Kaz, Yuko, Natsuki, Theo, Kurosawa
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Junpei, Hidetoshi, Nozomi, Rio
Is A Chaser: Tanaka, Mutatsu, Ryoji, possibly also Junpei
Is a Terf: Hidehiko, Maya and Yukino’s Boss, Prince Taurus, Queen Aquarius, Teacher Maya, The Principal, Nyarlathotep
Is Not A Terf: Tatsuya, Maya, Jun, Yukino, Ulala, Nanjo, Eriko, Todoroki, Maki, Reiji, Joker
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Baofu, King Leo, Lady Scorpio, Akari
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Lisa, Eikichi, Katsuya, Chizuru
Is A Chaser: Also Baofu, I think, Ulala’s ex boyfriend guy
Is Not A Terf: Tatsuya, Maya, Jun, Yukino, Ulala, Nanjo, Eriko, Todoroki, Maki, Reiji, Joker
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Baofu, King Leo, Lady Scorpio, Akari
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Lisa, Eikichi, Katsuya, Chizuru
Is A Chaser: Also Baofu, I think, Ulala’s ex boyfriend guy
Is a Terf: Yosuke, Teddie, Adachi, Naoki, Eri, Minazuki, Kubo, Izanami
Is Not A Terf: Yu, Kanji, Rise, Naoto, The Fox, Kou, Sayoko, Ayane, Marie, Aika, Ameno-sagiri
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Yukiko, Chie, Shu, Hisano, Nanako, Namatame
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Dojima, Daisuke, Ai, Yumi, Margaret
Is A Chaser: arguably none, arguably Adachi and Teddie.
Is Not A Terf: Yu, Kanji, Rise, Naoto, The Fox, Kou, Sayoko, Ayane, Marie, Aika, Ameno-sagiri
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Yukiko, Chie, Shu, Hisano, Nanako, Namatame
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Dojima, Daisuke, Ai, Yumi, Margaret
Is A Chaser: arguably none, arguably Adachi and Teddie.
Is a Terf: Morgana, Makoto (sorry queen i luv u), Shinya, Justine, Yoshizawa’s dad, Madarame, Kunikazu Okumura, Yaldabaoth
Is Not A Terf: Ren, Ryuji, Ann, Yusuke, Haru, Akechi, Yoshizawa, Maruki, Takemi, Chihaya, Yoshida, Futaba I THINK, Caroline, Kawakami, Lala, Shiho, Mika
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Sojiro, Iwai, Lavenza, Jose, Hiraguchi
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Hifumi, Sae
Is A Chaser: Mishima, Ohya, Kaneshiro probably also Morgana
Is Not A Terf: Ren, Ryuji, Ann, Yusuke, Haru, Akechi, Yoshizawa, Maruki, Takemi, Chihaya, Yoshida, Futaba I THINK, Caroline, Kawakami, Lala, Shiho, Mika
Is Not Educated On The Subject But Would Be Cool: Sojiro, Iwai, Lavenza, Jose, Hiraguchi
Is A Terf But I Could Fix Them: Hifumi, Sae
Is A Chaser: Mishima, Ohya, Kaneshiro probably also Morgana
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@MiraMiraOTW i really appreciate that kaburagi is the person you have strong feelings about here, and i appreciate even more that you are validating my opinions
@poyfuh I have less than zero passion about the Persona franchise but an incredible amount of passion for older women, I know what I'm about.
teddie is absolutely a chaser, gives me "posts transphobic things on 4chan and then his twitter is full of retweets of pics of hunter schafer" vibes
This is the coolest list I've seen recently tbh
@MiraMiraOTW this is wisdom. this is a Good Life. you’re so real
@theia the thing you really gotta keep in mind about teddie is he’s my enemy and i’ll kill him, i’ll choke him to death with my bare hands at the first opportunity and i’ll go to prison forever with a smile on my face
@Bells thank you i want to say that this sprang fully formed from my genius mind but i did actually spend like an hour on it
@theia the thing you really gotta keep in mind about teddie is he’s my enemy and i’ll kill him, i’ll choke him to death with my bare hands at the first opportunity and i’ll go to prison forever with a smile on my face
@Bells thank you i want to say that this sprang fully formed from my genius mind but i did actually spend like an hour on it
Why would Makoto be a TERF? genuine question
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@G0dot in my heart of hearts i don’t really think that makoto would be a terf if she were like a real person, but i think in the game she suffers a rigidity of character and insistence on performing gender even despite her own constant worries about being validated for separating herself from normative behaviors. I think it might be better to put her in the I Could Fix Her category though, because a lot of the stuff that gives her terf energy is a symptom of being a character in a persona game, where that kind of attitude is pervasive, and she is just the main character who the vibes fall into the most. a lot of it is unfortunately “idk man she’s got the vibe” which isn’t really an answer either, I do understand. I think there’s a constant tension in persona 5 especially between the characters as they’re set up and the overall attitude of the game not really letting them flourish and while everyone suffers for this I do think Makoto gets some of the worst of it. Also being a liberal and also an aspiring cop is a recipe for being a weird freak towards queer people who cops go out of their way to target, just like, in real life.
ultimately though i didn’t mean for the list to be terribly serious, mostly a joke thing that went off my gut. So while i will always insist that i am always objectively correct, that is also a joke and I didn’t actually think TOO hard about it. i did mean it when i said i love makoto. she is great.
ultimately though i didn’t mean for the list to be terribly serious, mostly a joke thing that went off my gut. So while i will always insist that i am always objectively correct, that is also a joke and I didn’t actually think TOO hard about it. i did mean it when i said i love makoto. she is great.
makoto makes me sad cuz they made the coolest persona-user design (and coolest persona) into a fuckin' narc who, after participating in multiple acts of anarchic violence, ultimately decides that "voting and solving the problem from da inside is the real answer..."
she/her pronouns in twitter profile, but still thinks transwomen shouldn't participate in women's sports ass person, if you're going by how hypocritical atlus writes her (still probably my fav persona character if judging just by gameplay/character design tho)
she/her pronouns in twitter profile, but still thinks transwomen shouldn't participate in women's sports ass person, if you're going by how hypocritical atlus writes her (still probably my fav persona character if judging just by gameplay/character design tho)
common theia w take imo
persona 5's biggest problem ultimately is that it correctly identifies the deep rot at the heart of society, that in so many unique industries and situations there is a persistent systemic scenario of normative compliance with abuse and that the systems are designed as a pipeline to not only empower abusers and keep them empowered but to ensure that they are the only kinds of people who will be powerful, and then almost immediately upon making this observation decides that actually it is not systemic, it's a bad actors and bad apples thing and that solving it is as simple as eliminating the problem at the branches rather than the roots.
They still occasionally pay lip service to the idea that there are greater social issues perpetuating these problems but they also decide that the way to help solve those is to stop doing the radical action they've been doing effectively throughout the game and hand over the keys to the kingdom to the same people who created all the problems in the first place. You Simply Have To Trust The System To Work At Some Point, they say out loud at the end of the game when we're all letting Sae Nijima promise that the future will be better.
This hits everybody the same way Persona 4's weird conservative truth hits everybody in that game but Makoto definitely suffers the most obviously for it. On most days I simply pretend that I do not see her rank 10 cop shit. Anathema to me. Poison in my blood.
persona 5's biggest problem ultimately is that it correctly identifies the deep rot at the heart of society, that in so many unique industries and situations there is a persistent systemic scenario of normative compliance with abuse and that the systems are designed as a pipeline to not only empower abusers and keep them empowered but to ensure that they are the only kinds of people who will be powerful, and then almost immediately upon making this observation decides that actually it is not systemic, it's a bad actors and bad apples thing and that solving it is as simple as eliminating the problem at the branches rather than the roots.
They still occasionally pay lip service to the idea that there are greater social issues perpetuating these problems but they also decide that the way to help solve those is to stop doing the radical action they've been doing effectively throughout the game and hand over the keys to the kingdom to the same people who created all the problems in the first place. You Simply Have To Trust The System To Work At Some Point, they say out loud at the end of the game when we're all letting Sae Nijima promise that the future will be better.
This hits everybody the same way Persona 4's weird conservative truth hits everybody in that game but Makoto definitely suffers the most obviously for it. On most days I simply pretend that I do not see her rank 10 cop shit. Anathema to me. Poison in my blood.
I have a lot of opinions about this x'D
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MiraMiraOTW
3 months ago
Approved, signed and sealed. Post the trans list.