has wayforward ever made a good game?

https://youtu.be/Z0aSTZmNN_k?si=fOZJZ3OZppwLSlwp

i've had an in-joke with some friends for a little while about how wayforward might be the biggest psyop of a video game studio in the entire industry, because they're unusually well regarded despite seemingly only being capable of creating ~5/10 games that are carried by good visuals

this will be a chronicling of my journey to determine if wayforward has ever released anything above a 6/10

feel free to leave a comment if there's anything you've played in this developer's nigh infinite catalog that isn't exceedingly mediocre!

Shantae
Shantae
it looks nice and it's animated well, but here's the kicker: the game is boring
Shantae: Risky's Revenge
Shantae: Risky's Revenge
again - it's just an average metroidvania that looks nice. sure, it's an improvement over the first. who cares?
SpongeBob SquarePants: Lights, Camera, Pants!
SpongeBob SquarePants: Lights, Camera, Pants!
it's a mediocre linear platformer with decent spritework
BloodRayne: Betrayal
BloodRayne: Betrayal
tried this as a kid and remember it being a very average beat em up/platformer

will do my due diligence and report back with results
Scooby-Doo! & Looney Tunes Cartoon Universe: Adventure
Scooby-Doo! & Looney Tunes Cartoon Universe: Adventure
i haven't played this game, but i'm going to use a get-out-of-jail-free card here because i don't need to play it

just look at it. this looks like one of the most boring games i've ever seen. would you want to play this?
Wendy: Every Witch Way
Wendy: Every Witch Way
i haven't played this one yet myself either, but i'm going to defer to guttertrash's opinion here because i find that it's very likely the correct one
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night
Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night
i didn't actually know they worked on this, but given how mid it was i should've suspected something was up
Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy
Psi-Ops: The Mindgate Conspiracy
LIST OF POSSIBLY GOOD GAMES:

- lit
- sigma star saga
- mighty switch force
- shantae and the pirate's curse
- double dragon neon
- wwf betrayal
- ducktales remastered

47 Comments


2 months ago

I might be barking up the wrong tree, but Shantae 3 was awesome. It had solid boss fights, tricky dungeons, and clutch platforming. They replaced her one-note transformations with slick platforming moves. Its been awhile but I still remember a fast pace, unpredictable humor, and compelling characters.

I played the two sequels but neither had the impact of Shantae and the Pirates Curse, where I can remember various levels, cutscenes, puzzles, u name it.

2 months ago

The only one I've played that I thought was decent was Double Dragon Neon and the Ducktales Remaster, and both of those were completely carried by Jake Kaufman's music I feel. You should play WWF Betrayel where you play the a beat'em up with The Rock and constantly hit the Rock Bottom on random security goons.

2 months ago

@janssenjam i have heard good things about pirate curse. and to be fair, the transformation mechanic is definitely the worst thing about shantae. so there might be some potential there

@vee i'll have to try those - though i do feel that it's kinda hilarious that their only good games may very well be just leeching off other series

will definitely be running wwf betrayal. game sounds fucking stupid

2 months ago

Honestly, even their games leeching off other series are barely any better than their shovelware garbage. I'm genuinely astounded how they still get any respect when their assets are so cheap these days , I played the demo for Contra Operation Galuga and that shit barely runs on Switch and looks/sounds like a dumpster.

2 months ago

As said Pirate's Curse is fun and Double Dragon Neon is rad. Also, while I'm not a Contra fan, my buddy is and he loved Contra 4 and is looking forward to Operation Galuga after playing the demo.
ducktales remastered is pretty damn good

1 month ago

I quite like both of the river city girls games

1 month ago

they worked on bloodstained: ritual of the night, and that was a solid 3.5/5.0 imo.

1 month ago

@averypaledog that would help to explain why i found that game to be extremely mediocre

1 month ago

CONTRA 4

1 month ago

the only one i can think of tbh
@averypaledog oh they did? That's definitely my favorite then

1 month ago

i get why you'd say that. i figured i'd just mention it just in case.

1 month ago

Liking Shantae is a matter of your perspective on Shantae and her appeal. Do you find her cute or attractive? If so you'll probably slop up everything to do with her. Everything else in the game is tertiary at best.

1 month ago

FYC: Mummy Demastered. Maybe the biggest move-to-game glowup money can buy. Ripper OST if nothing else

1 month ago

They're often heralded as a "little guy success story" type thing. They survived off of generally ok at best licensed games long enough for their original projects to grow and carry them. Still not a whole lot to truly love about their output though even as someone who usually defends licensed games.

I just found out they made that Wiiware game "LIT". Wonder what you'll think of it, always wanted to try that one but no clue if it's any good.

1 month ago

@poefred lit actually looks pretty neat. i'll check that one out soon. thanks for making me aware of it

1 month ago

I'll vouch for Contra 4. Its fun but also extremely derivative of the other games. And by derivative I mean its just a mishmosh of random stages from 1-3 lol

1 month ago

Pirates curse is their only good game its devastating

1 month ago

I don't know how much it counts, but they also developed the Advance Wars Remake that came out last year. I haven't played it yet but the originals are pretty fun and easy to get into strategy games.

1 month ago

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1 month ago

@elassirish yeah that's pretty much what i'd expect and why i'm skeptical of it lmao. iunno what it was with the retro revival era and releasing 4th outings of beloved franchises that offered absolutely nothing new

i mean, i can only really think of one other off the top of my head, but still

@mediocreampuf they did indeed - but they're just worse looking versions of the originals imo

1 month ago

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1 month ago

Supposedly the first Adventure Time game (Hey Ice King! Why'd You Steal Our Garbage?!) and the Regular Show one they made are decent fun. Whether that's "by license game standards", or all-around big ups, or even complete bunk, I don't know, but I figured it was worth mentioning regardless if your on the hunt for a 6/10.

I know it's already marked in the notes, but despite only playing it for half an hour Mighty Switch Force (Hyper Drive Edition) was a pretty fun puzzler, even if it is rather low stakes. I should get back to it...

(reuploading since I fucked up the text formatting for the first word)
Gave both the newest shantae games a 6, they were decent

1 month ago

I agree with you in the sense that Shantae games are extremely overrated. I absolutely love the art but they're some of the most sauceless platformers I've ever played.

1 month ago

spit

1 month ago

I've finished all the shantae games, ducktales remastered and the first river city girls. With shantae, I enjoyed pirates curse and (despite how braindead easy it was) half genie hero, but didn't really care for the other games. Ducktales was pretty darn good as was RCG.

I think they've really dropped off in recent years and that became apparent with seven sirens. That was nothing more than a port of an apple arcade game with a premium price tag. The game itself was probably the most boring in the entire series bar Risky's Revenge on top of it. Sure, it had those cool anime cutscenes but that really can't carry a whole game.

As Dreamer said, I do think a big part of why Wayforward remains relevant is that a good chunk of their audience won't care as long as there is an attractive female lead and I think it's safe to say they caught onto this. After the mediocrity of seven sirens and spidersaurs (which I'll add runs like dogwater on switch just as the contra demo does), I approach anything new from them with the same degree of cautiousness I would with a new sonic title ngl.

1 month ago

It's not going to be for everybody but Aliens: Isolation is worth checking out

1 month ago

The Mighty Switch Force games were pretty good puzzle platformers. I also liked the Ducktales remake they did.


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