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Is Master Quest on 3DS the same as on GameCube? Let's just say it is and I'm logging it here

The Master Quest version of Ocarina of Time was probably among the first things I learned about on the internet, and I've been hesitant to dispel the two decades or so of intrigue it's held for me by actually playing it. Though I've known for a long time it only substantially alters the game's dungeons (including the Ice Cavern, Gerudo Training Ground, and Ganon's Castle, though understandably not the Gerudo Fortress), and even then only remixes puzzles rather than changing the architecture or layout, it remains arguably the fullest "hard mode" experience in the Zelda series as well as being an alternate version of a game I have largely memorized. Well, I've played it, and it's a novel experiment which largely illustrates what makes for good puzzle and dungeon design and what doesn't.

In a number of cases, puzzles have been merely lengthened rather than "improved": instead of simply stepping on a switch that stays down, you must carry an easily-spotted box through no environmental hazards to hold the switch down, for example. These are the most frustrating changes: they undermine the sense that this is any more difficult than before, and when the steps are more hazardous it feels cheap. Enemies are often increased in number and/or difficulty (Iron Knuckles are frequently encountered), occasionally adding interesting wrinkles to a room's puzzle. I found myself more deeply engaged by the combat than ever before, gaining a new appreciation for Deku nuts and the Biggoron's sword. Somewhat more interestingly, the nature and appearance of switches or torches are often changed: they can be hidden high up, in gaps, or disturbingly replaced by cow heads jutting from the wall (this is just in Jabu-Jabu's belly and I think the logic was crystals sticking out from the wall would look unnatural/synthetic). A lot of Song of Time blocks are added and prove to be universally bad additions, because it's just a matter of arbitrarily guessing how many times and where to play the song to get the outcome you want. Taken together, these make up the bulk of the differences in MQ and they narrowly do more to improve the experience than detract from it.

More interestingly, the placement of the small keys, map, compass, and dungeon item are shifted in placement and order of collection to varying degrees. In the most extreme case, the Water Temple now yields the longshot before even the compass is found. As a result, MQ generally requires more complex spatial reasoning and purposeful backtracking than the original, but with drawbacks. While puzzle box style dungeons (see Game Maker's Toolkit's Boss Keys series) are my personal preference, I think Zelda games are at their best when they're varied in dungeon design between puzzle boxes, gauntlets, and lock-and-key types. The original roster of dungeons was well-balanced in that regard but MQ throws it off, turning most into lock-and-key affairs. You're still thinking about the overall layout and what is needed to progress which is enjoyable, but after several dungeons like this and a high incidence of cheap excuses for increased difficulty, the charm diminishes. There are bright spots, like a Spirit Temple room involving a Moblin (previously exclusive to the Sacred Forest Meadow iirc) and a wholly unique puzzle of playing different songs next to refreshingly-not-obvious symbols to progress. On a dungeon-by-dungeon basis it's largely an improvement for complexity, but kind of worse as an overall game.

As a quick breakdown, I would say the three child dungeons benefit the most dramatically, while the Forest and Shadow Temples and Gerudo Training Ground also are noticeably improved. Ganon's Castle, the Fire and Spirit Temples, and the Ice Cavern are lateral moves, while the Water Temple noticeably suffers. I think, broadly speaking, the more linear dungeons (three child and Shadow Temple) had the most to gain from a remix anyway; their layouts were not taken full advantage of in the original, and become more complex and intricate in MQ. The Water Temple, by contrast, was too tightly designed around its puzzle box structure to be easily reworked; the result is shorter, with several rooms rendered unnecessary by the new order of operations and a much lower sense of accomplishment. I think its best quality is that MQ gets you to stop and look at these dungeons fresh. I made ample use of the first person view, something I rarely do when replaying the original, to suss out slight changes and felt newly engaged by a game that's become overly familiar to me.

On the whole, MQ draws out increased difficulty from toying with your expectations and assumptions more than truly improving or refining its design. This grates when it relies on you shooting a bomb flower to inexplicably make a chest appear for you to hookshot to, but feels refreshing when you realize the game has made it so the Spirit Temple is no longer in two discrete halves across time; adult Link must travel back into the seemingly-completed child half, activate certain things, then return as a child to gain keys, then return again as an adult to finish the dungeon (this would probably have enraged me if I looked it up instead of reasoning it out on my own). In this way, it's less a challenging Zelda game and more an inside joke for Ocarina veterans. Mystery dispelled, play the little jingle.

It made me feel like I was playing Ocarina of Time for the first time again with how much the dungeons were just completely messed around. I genuinely enjoyed how ridiculously hard some of them were and how shuffled around stuff was. Mileage is definitely going to vary for folks, but it was a novelty that I feel was 100% worth it.

I mean, more Zelda? Yes, please!
I wasn't the biggest fan of this. I enjoyed that it was different, but it just seemed like all it added in a lot of cases was more tedium. It just took longer and that's basically it.

People should be forced by the government to replay OoT when they turn 18, like as a coming of age ritual, but the ROM is swapped out for this version


"What if we made an already vague game more vague"

Ocarina of Time but with better puzzles. Pretty damn good, no reason not to play the 3DS version though.

It's Ocarina of Time again but with rearranged and harder dungeons and puzzles. The new dungeon layouts range from clever, to questionable. Most of them are actually pretty great, and get a natural increase in difficulty that suits the dungeons quite well.

Though there are some dungeons that I feel aren't really changed enough, or aren't really changed for the better. The Water Temple is a lot shorter and easier now, surprisingly. A lot of the rooms are optional now, and you can take a short, linear path to get the Longshot and then reach the boss. The Shadow Temple also wasn't changed very much. There were some noticeable changes, but only to a small degree. I wish that boss fights had some changes to them, maybe some new attacks or phases to them, or different things you have to do to damage them. It would've made for a very fun surprise.

Otherwise, it's exactly the same as regular Ocarina of Time, just mirrored and with a damage increase. The damage increase isn't a big deal though, Ocarina's never been hard, and if you have bottles with fairies on hand, you won't have to worry about deaths too much. A pretty welcome challenge for veterans of vanilla Ocarina of Time.

I had a lot of trouble figuring out the prerequisites for a couple of the dungeons which got me a little frustrated, but most of the time the rhythm of the game was nice. Getting used to the camera was also a little tough, and I never really did get used to it.

I did enjoy the look of the game, and I think sometimes it does actually look good -- it's like it has a certain aesthetic that you don't see as much anymore.

I think the remixed dungeons and double damage make this an enjoyable play-though. Though only the dungeons were remixed, would have liked to seen some more changes throughout. The 3DS version is the best due to the improved inventory.

I haven't played this in years but I still remember that godforsaken block puzzle in the spirit temple

Basically a romhack of the original where all the dungeons are different. Sadly, I don't think any of MQ dungeons are as good as the original. They're some interesting changes and designs, but I feel some dungeons are a bit gutted due to it. Master Quest is still an enjoyable time and I think it warrants at least a single playthrough.

I tried to get into Ocarina of Time as a newcomer to the Zelda franchise, but whether it was the clunky, old-school controls, the threadbare story, or just personal bias, I could not get into the game. Most likely that's on me, seeing as this is one of the most storied games in all of gaming, but nevertheless, I dropped the game about 2/3 of the way through, and didn't find any desire to revisit it. Maybe another Zelda game will be for me, but this was not it.

Couldn't beat the fucking MQ spirit temple the puzzle made no sense I had no wifi back then

Gosto muito dessa versão da um pouco mais de versatilidade em que dominou todo a versão original do jogo, mas que alegria eles facilitaram o Water Temple, que era tenebroso na versão original

Something any OoT fan needs to experience at least once.

it's kinda like nintendo just romhacked themselves.

This special edition game was given as a preorder bonus for The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker in North America.

OOT is my favorite game of all time so I couldn't resist doing a playthrough of the regular game before I jumped to the Master Quest version which was released originally for the 64DD and is a more challenging game with different prerequisites for dungeon progressions.

Master Quest felt weird and somewhat out of place but this may be due to the fact that OOT's progression and setup is ingrained in my brain so anything deviating from OOT feel out of the norm for me. Playing these games with the GameCube controller felt strange but in the end it all worked just fine.

This was quite a fun way to play OOT. If you're like me and have memorized the main game to death and back I'd recommend playing Mastermode! The added difficulty is nice and seeing the new puzzles added were quite refreshing

As a child I only ever managed to complete the Forest Temple, so I decided to return and 100% this gem. Unfortunately it doesnt let me select this, but I played the PC Port, Ship of Harkinian which was a fantastic visual upgrade to this classic.

This is the one to play if you aren't a little baby who fears a challenge of any kind.

I PLAYED IT, ON THE FUCKIN WII!!!

Decent challenge mode for fans of the original, unfortunatley like the Collectors Edition the porting of the N64 games to GameCube wasn't done too well. They're playable to be sure but more could've been done.

After playing countless times the original game, this one is a nice change of pace and there were moments that I genuinely got stucked, some fairly but others due to bullshit programming, for example, in Forest Temple where there are those rotating pillars in which you have to shoot a freezed eye with a torch at the center, you have to but a block at the switch in the center so the ice block blocking the door disappears, but for some reason when you activate the switch it takes some seconds before the ice block disappears, there is no sound cue or camera movement that indicates that, I have activated the switch and thought nothing happened but due to the weird way programmers made this layout, you have to wait a feel seconds for the ice block to disappear.
In general, the way the changes are made feels very "hack rom", there are no new rooms or structures, everything is only made with generic objects, this makes it difficult for level designers to create more unique puzzles.

While I know that the idea was to just shape up the dungeons, I can't help but think how much of a missed opportunity it was that the rest of the game wasn't changed, no new side-quests, no new heart-piece locations, no new areas or structures, just dungeon's object layout.
I'll give praise that at least in 3DS the game is mirrored and you receive double damage.

To think that this was the project that Shigeru Miyamoto wanted to prioritize to for the N64 instead of what would become Majora's Mask, I'm so glad that Eiji Aonuma chose to create a whole new game instead. For those who don't know, this Master Quest is the so-called "Ura" (that's the Japanese title) that was supposed to be an expansion to Ocarina for the 64DD, I heard somewhere that they had this project already finished by August 2000, but they didn't know how to properly release it, that's when it was decided to come bundled with Wind Waker.

Eh, I tried it and reached Fire Temple iirc. The same exact stuff is present in OoT 3D, idk if I'll eventually try it there. It's still basically the equivalent of an OoT randomizer. It can be interesting and refreshing for anyone doing new games, but at the end it's still 90% the same exact game, just with dungeons more scrambled.

Remixing the dungeons was such a cool idea, I'm a little sad they've only done it once! The 3DS version also contains the Master Quest, but the whole world is mirrored from the original in that version, for whatever that's worth.


Mostly unimpeachable from an aesthetic and storytelling perspective. 25 years of evolution will inevitably produce jank on the modern player's end, and that Gerudo Fortress segment is actively bad game time. But a classic for a reason.

Schön Herausfordernd zum Original, nur manchmal doch gewisse dinge zu sehr versteckt. Viele Schalter durch reinen Zufall entdeckt.

This was my first way of experiencing the original ocarina of time, its still to this day a solid game and a recomended play in any form.

I had absolutely no clue this existed and i just realised it came with the 3ds version aswell. 100 percent gonna go back and play this