remakes that cause damage
this is a companion to remakes that can replace
the criteria is effectively the opposite. the games listed here will either be harmful to the original's image, or "remasters" that are broken in ways that make them all around worse to play (silent hill hd collection is the perfect example of this)
suggestions are welcome, but inclusions are strict (no sotc 2018 - the aesthetic is marginally altered but the identity of the game is fully intact and it controls identically)
the criteria is effectively the opposite. the games listed here will either be harmful to the original's image, or "remasters" that are broken in ways that make them all around worse to play (silent hill hd collection is the perfect example of this)
suggestions are welcome, but inclusions are strict (no sotc 2018 - the aesthetic is marginally altered but the identity of the game is fully intact and it controls identically)
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standalone yakuza 0 dlc with none of the style or personality of the original yakuza. fucks up the soundtrack and tacks on mechanics that bloat the experience substantially
fuck majima everywhere and its progressions system
fuck majima everywhere and its progressions system
edge case - this game is fine, really (art direction aside) but the hitboxes are wonkier and make a decent amount of the platforming much stricter than it's supposed to be
preserves nothing at all about the original's intent and is nothing more than a pixar-knockoff cashgrab. gets frequently lauded as an improvement over the original for inexplicable psyop reasons
typically i'd be willing to classify this as a reimagining - something transformative - but i'm not willing to look past this game completely defying everything the original stands for with absolutely nothing to show for it beyond more modern appealing combat
typically i'd be willing to classify this as a reimagining - something transformative - but i'm not willing to look past this game completely defying everything the original stands for with absolutely nothing to show for it beyond more modern appealing combat
standalone yakuza 6 dlc which saps yakuza 2 of its identity in the same way that k1 does to y1. 6-ified music, 6-ified gameplay. missing content from the original too
also just has bad direction. whoever decided SiM was a good replacement for the crazy ken band was out of their fucking mind
also just has bad direction. whoever decided SiM was a good replacement for the crazy ken band was out of their fucking mind
neutered bosses (among other babified mechanic changes) and completely different art direction. never trust a developer who hates their own work on god
catch-all for persona 3 rereleases
p3 portable: the unambiguous flaw here is the lack of anime cutscenes. some people prefer the vn format for exploration but most do not. direct party control is contentious, but it cannot be denied that its inclusion began to muddy the reputation of p3fes and frame it as game that had aged poorly. p3p is not designed around its gameplay changes, so there's a definite loss of identity here, especially because the lack of party control played into p3's narrative
it'd be unfair not to mention the female protagonist route, which is a nice remix of the game and worth checking out for fans of any version
p3 reload: replaces p3's identity and aesthetic with that of its movies and also largely nixes the direction of the original game. maintains portable's direct party control, but does not include the female protagonist and (currently) also does not include 'the answer' from fes
does include some scenes to expand upon antagonists and fully voices social links. also changes the way tartarus works significantly
p3 portable: the unambiguous flaw here is the lack of anime cutscenes. some people prefer the vn format for exploration but most do not. direct party control is contentious, but it cannot be denied that its inclusion began to muddy the reputation of p3fes and frame it as game that had aged poorly. p3p is not designed around its gameplay changes, so there's a definite loss of identity here, especially because the lack of party control played into p3's narrative
it'd be unfair not to mention the female protagonist route, which is a nice remix of the game and worth checking out for fans of any version
p3 reload: replaces p3's identity and aesthetic with that of its movies and also largely nixes the direction of the original game. maintains portable's direct party control, but does not include the female protagonist and (currently) also does not include 'the answer' from fes
does include some scenes to expand upon antagonists and fully voices social links. also changes the way tartarus works significantly
haphazardly remodels a cult classic with no regard whatsoever for its art direction
completely identical gameplay tho!
completely identical gameplay tho!
butchered enemy ai that doesn't stop blocking or quickstepping makes this already tedious game about a hundred times more so
has harmed the dreamcast original's reputation primarily due to a lot of glitchiness, but also uneven art direction
game dev dont release a broken buggy pc port challenge minute 1
while the fully voiced cutscenes are an arguable improvement, the identity of the gba release is sacrificed in favor of asset recycling from kh1
the gameplay is also extremely fucking confusing and generally sours the reputation of the original
the gameplay is also extremely fucking confusing and generally sours the reputation of the original
totally fucked models particularly on x. x-2 is mostly fine because the models weren't remade, but everyone in x looks like they've been dolled up for shitty beauty commercials. yuna especially is incapable of having facial expressions
edge case - this is mostly fine for someone unfamiliar with the original, but the modified controls coupled with unchanged level design and additional invisible walls gives the impression of this game being rougher than its established fans remember
also general lack of animation/polish in places which the original does not share
also general lack of animation/polish in places which the original does not share
on one hand, this is the best way to play p1 besides the japanese ps1 release. on the other, it has many problems of its own - primarily related to gameplay being neutered and the soundtrack being way too condensed and repetitive
there is a fan patch to restore the original music, but it's not complete. p1 has an absolutely massive soundtrack and many of its tracks aren't accounted for
there is a fan patch to restore the original music, but it's not complete. p1 has an absolutely massive soundtrack and many of its tracks aren't accounted for
horrendously ugly mobile port that undersells how gorgeous of a game the original is
for 999 specifically
why? that's a good question indeed. i suggest you don't look it up!
why? that's a good question indeed. i suggest you don't look it up!
in short: the friction's fucked up from the originals
this is a game about rolling a ball on an obstacle course. physics are important!
also the minigames are fucked up
this is a game about rolling a ball on an obstacle course. physics are important!
also the minigames are fucked up
pointless to play this version when all it does is play exactly the same and introduce new bugs
for what it's worth the horrible bugginess makes this more entertaining than the original release
so you might as well play this one tbh
so you might as well play this one tbh
edge case - if the braindead, godawful gameplay here has turned you away, try the fan translation of the ps1 version and see if you prefer that
the psp port makes localization improvements and increases the overall speed of the game, but this is at the cost of it becoming the literal easiest jrpg you may ever play
seriously - i never game-overed once in this entire thing. it's fucking braindead
the psp port makes localization improvements and increases the overall speed of the game, but this is at the cost of it becoming the literal easiest jrpg you may ever play
seriously - i never game-overed once in this entire thing. it's fucking braindead
mj songs in sonic 3 are replaced with beta tracks. seeing that this is a series where the music is half the experience
also the physics are fucked up in places
also the physics are fucked up in places
big fan of ports of old games that look inexplicably and inarguably worse than their original versions
catch-all for every serious sam hd remaster
ugly as fuck and personality-sapping in many regards
makes me realize i actually should try this game again because i didn't know it used to not look like dogshit
ugly as fuck and personality-sapping in many regards
makes me realize i actually should try this game again because i didn't know it used to not look like dogshit
effectively a different game from the 360 release
the ps3 couldn't handle the high amount of enemies on-screen, so they were cut substantially and buffed to compensate. this makes dismemberment (a core mechanic in the original release) a complete pain in the ass
sigma 1 is also on thin ice, but it's not nearly as fucked up as this
the ps3 couldn't handle the high amount of enemies on-screen, so they were cut substantially and buffed to compensate. this makes dismemberment (a core mechanic in the original release) a complete pain in the ass
sigma 1 is also on thin ice, but it's not nearly as fucked up as this
pretty easily the worst version of klonoa to play due to its drab visuals
even if you don't want to play the ps1 original (for whatever reason) phantasy reverie's version is just a more faithful rendition of this wii port anyway
even if you don't want to play the ps1 original (for whatever reason) phantasy reverie's version is just a more faithful rendition of this wii port anyway
bad buggy port. only buy this to download the original blood instead
Lol. Lmao even
who would've thunk porting mobile ports to modern systems wouldn't be ideal
they fucked up the hitboxes and made it ugly
uglier and lacks content from the original (despite having some new modes of its own)
fine for a returning fan but not ideal for getting through the base game
fine for a returning fan but not ideal for getting through the base game
robomodo gaming
controls poorly and looks like shit
this shit is fucking ugly!!!
what the fuck are you doing and why is this garbage the only version with multiplayer supported on battle.net - are you fucking insane?
thank god the original is translated now
have you ever wondered what it'd be like to play a game designed for two analog sticks on a console with only one?
there's no reason to play anything other than the original release for a multitude of reasons
cowa-fuckin-piece-of-dog-shit
gba version has slowdown during combat and shittier music
all the resident evil remakes are nothing more than alternate takes on the original games
however
this mobile port burned me out on re4 before i even played the original version. i cannot think of a release more damaging than one that disengages someone from its source material altogether
fuck you re4 mobile edition
however
this mobile port burned me out on re4 before i even played the original version. i cannot think of a release more damaging than one that disengages someone from its source material altogether
fuck you re4 mobile edition
technical shitshow which played and looked worse than the original
bad technical problems, graphical errors and frame dips
airbrushed ass game with other bad choices. backlashed so hard the devs included the original version as a free 'bonus'
when the game is identical but buggier
genuinely what the fuck happened here
man what the fuck is this shit. there's three of these??
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Also, the Nonary Games version of 999 because without the two screens, it just feels way less impactful, especially the climax since the two screens are literally needed to have it be an effective and impactful moment.
@smashblack i feel like atari conversions are a lil disingenuous because like... it's the 2600 trying to replicate an arcade game and there's very little hope of that ever working. but iunno maybe. it's definitely more egregious of a release than like, centipede or missile command
ditto nonary games 100%. thanks for pointing it out
ditto nonary games 100%. thanks for pointing it out
Blood Fresh Supply: While not quite as bad as Bladerunner, Fresh Supply is still easily the second worst Nightdive release. Launched in an unexusably bad state and was patched to just barely be acceptable. Despite that its arguably the worst (modern) sourceport for the game
Serious Sam HD/Fusion: New visuals are ugly as sin and removes virtually all style & personality the original had. The change in engine also led to a change in how physics were handeled, resulting in numerous sections of the game to be changed. The ai for multeiple enemies are changed, and across the board are broken. In a single play session youll frequently encounter enemies that get stuck on walls+random objects, get stuck on eachother, or stuck at their spawnpoint, etc.
Fusion fixes some of the bugs in the HD releases, and yet manages to introduce dozens that are arguably even worse - most notably enemey ai is even MORE broken, and projectile weapons just cease functioning properly at times. It's also reaching its 7th year of "beta" aka, its been completely abandoned and will never be fixed.
On that note: Serious Sam Revolution. Another terrible re-release of the first two games that got abandoned. Plagued with performance issues & random crashes, a myriad of visual bugs, and TERRIBLE netcode
Rise of the Triad 2013: this shit sucks man
Serious Sam HD/Fusion: New visuals are ugly as sin and removes virtually all style & personality the original had. The change in engine also led to a change in how physics were handeled, resulting in numerous sections of the game to be changed. The ai for multeiple enemies are changed, and across the board are broken. In a single play session youll frequently encounter enemies that get stuck on walls+random objects, get stuck on eachother, or stuck at their spawnpoint, etc.
Fusion fixes some of the bugs in the HD releases, and yet manages to introduce dozens that are arguably even worse - most notably enemey ai is even MORE broken, and projectile weapons just cease functioning properly at times. It's also reaching its 7th year of "beta" aka, its been completely abandoned and will never be fixed.
On that note: Serious Sam Revolution. Another terrible re-release of the first two games that got abandoned. Plagued with performance issues & random crashes, a myriad of visual bugs, and TERRIBLE netcode
Rise of the Triad 2013: this shit sucks man
@elassirish great suggestions. i'll hold off on rise of the triad as i'm not familiar enough + i dont think a game in the original's style could ever really be tarnished by something that obviously is nothing like it, but uh, yeah it doesn't look fantastic
Surprised Symphonia HD hasn't been mentioned yet. Alongside having the main issue people had w/ prior rereleases (30fps cap), it was also notoriously buggy especially on Switch - to the point Bamco had to outright apologize and made three different patches just to make it get the state of "fine enough".
@blazingwaters good call. added!
I think pokemon brilliant diamond/shining pearl should be here since it removed content that a lot of people enjoyed like the battle frontier while also looking horrendous. As well as forced EXP share and the horribly unbalanced affection system basically trivialising most of the game.
didnt read all of the p3p section but the fact its there is good enough for me
@chandler It might just be me own personal experience with ROTT2013 then. Around the time it came out i had to literally beg people I knew to give the original a chance. Then again they also thought the original "aged" so take that with a grain of salt lol
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