remakes that cause damage

this is a companion to remakes that can replace

the criteria is effectively the opposite. the games listed here will either be harmful to the original's image, or "remasters" that are broken in ways that make them all around worse to play (silent hill hd collection is the perfect example of this)

suggestions are welcome, but inclusions are strict (no sotc 2018 - the aesthetic is marginally altered but the identity of the game is fully intact and it controls identically)

Yakuza Kiwami
Yakuza Kiwami
standalone yakuza 0 dlc with none of the style or personality of the original yakuza. fucks up the soundtrack and tacks on mechanics that bloat the experience substantially

fuck majima everywhere and its progressions system
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy
edge case - this game is fine, really (art direction aside) but the hitboxes are wonkier and make a decent amount of the platforming much stricter than it's supposed to be
Ratchet & Clank
Ratchet & Clank
preserves nothing at all about the original's intent and is nothing more than a pixar-knockoff cashgrab. gets frequently lauded as an improvement over the original for inexplicable psyop reasons

typically i'd be willing to classify this as a reimagining - something transformative - but i'm not willing to look past this game completely defying everything the original stands for with absolutely nothing to show for it beyond more modern appealing combat
Yakuza Kiwami 2
Yakuza Kiwami 2
standalone yakuza 6 dlc which saps yakuza 2 of its identity in the same way that k1 does to y1. 6-ified music, 6-ified gameplay. missing content from the original too

also just has bad direction. whoever decided SiM was a good replacement for the crazy ken band was out of their fucking mind
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D
neutered bosses (among other babified mechanic changes) and completely different art direction. never trust a developer who hates their own work on god
Persona 3 Portable
Persona 3 Portable
catch-all for persona 3 rereleases

p3 portable: the unambiguous flaw here is the lack of anime cutscenes. some people prefer the vn format for exploration but most do not. direct party control is contentious, but it cannot be denied that its inclusion began to muddy the reputation of p3fes and frame it as game that had aged poorly. p3p is not designed around its gameplay changes, so there's a definite loss of identity here, especially because the lack of party control played into p3's narrative

it'd be unfair not to mention the female protagonist route, which is a nice remix of the game and worth checking out for fans of any version

p3 reload: replaces p3's identity and aesthetic with that of its movies and also largely nixes the direction of the original game. maintains portable's direct party control, but does not include the female protagonist and (currently) also does not include 'the answer' from fes

does include some scenes to expand upon antagonists and fully voices social links. also changes the way tartarus works significantly
Demon's Souls
Demon's Souls
haphazardly remodels a cult classic with no regard whatsoever for its art direction

completely identical gameplay tho!
Yakuza 3 Remastered
Yakuza 3 Remastered
butchered enemy ai that doesn't stop blocking or quickstepping makes this already tedious game about a hundred times more so
Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut
Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut
has harmed the dreamcast original's reputation primarily due to a lot of glitchiness, but also uneven art direction
Bully: Scholarship Edition
Bully: Scholarship Edition
game dev dont release a broken buggy pc port challenge minute 1
Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories
Kingdom Hearts Re:Chain of Memories
while the fully voiced cutscenes are an arguable improvement, the identity of the gba release is sacrificed in favor of asset recycling from kh1

the gameplay is also extremely fucking confusing and generally sours the reputation of the original
Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster
Final Fantasy X/X-2 HD Remaster
totally fucked models particularly on x. x-2 is mostly fine because the models weren't remade, but everyone in x looks like they've been dolled up for shitty beauty commercials. yuna especially is incapable of having facial expressions
SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom - Rehydrated
SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom - Rehydrated
edge case - this is mostly fine for someone unfamiliar with the original, but the modified controls coupled with unchanged level design and additional invisible walls gives the impression of this game being rougher than its established fans remember

also general lack of animation/polish in places which the original does not share
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
on one hand, this is the best way to play p1 besides the japanese ps1 release. on the other, it has many problems of its own - primarily related to gameplay being neutered and the soundtrack being way too condensed and repetitive

there is a fan patch to restore the original music, but it's not complete. p1 has an absolutely massive soundtrack and many of its tracks aren't accounted for
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy IX
horrendously ugly mobile port that undersells how gorgeous of a game the original is
Zero Escape: The Nonary Games
Zero Escape: The Nonary Games
for 999 specifically

why? that's a good question indeed. i suggest you don't look it up!
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania
Super Monkey Ball: Banana Mania
in short: the friction's fucked up from the originals

this is a game about rolling a ball on an obstacle course. physics are important!

also the minigames are fucked up
Half-Life: Source
Half-Life: Source
pointless to play this version when all it does is play exactly the same and introduce new bugs
Sonic Colors: Ultimate
Sonic Colors: Ultimate
for what it's worth the horrible bugginess makes this more entertaining than the original release

so you might as well play this one tbh
Persona 2: Innocent Sin
Persona 2: Innocent Sin
edge case - if the braindead, godawful gameplay here has turned you away, try the fan translation of the ps1 version and see if you prefer that

the psp port makes localization improvements and increases the overall speed of the game, but this is at the cost of it becoming the literal easiest jrpg you may ever play

seriously - i never game-overed once in this entire thing. it's fucking braindead
Sonic Origins
Sonic Origins
mj songs in sonic 3 are replaced with beta tracks. seeing that this is a series where the music is half the experience

also the physics are fucked up in places
Batman: Return to Arkham
Batman: Return to Arkham
big fan of ports of old games that look inexplicably and inarguably worse than their original versions
Serious Sam HD: The First Encounter
Serious Sam HD: The First Encounter
catch-all for every serious sam hd remaster

ugly as fuck and personality-sapping in many regards

makes me realize i actually should try this game again because i didn't know it used to not look like dogshit
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2
effectively a different game from the 360 release

the ps3 couldn't handle the high amount of enemies on-screen, so they were cut substantially and buffed to compensate. this makes dismemberment (a core mechanic in the original release) a complete pain in the ass

sigma 1 is also on thin ice, but it's not nearly as fucked up as this
Klonoa
Klonoa
pretty easily the worst version of klonoa to play due to its drab visuals

even if you don't want to play the ps1 original (for whatever reason) phantasy reverie's version is just a more faithful rendition of this wii port anyway
Blood: Fresh Supply
Blood: Fresh Supply
bad buggy port. only buy this to download the original blood instead
Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis
Sonic the Hedgehog Genesis
Lol. Lmao even
Mega Man: The Wily Wars
Mega Man: The Wily Wars
they fucked up the hitboxes and made it ugly
Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy - The Definitive Edition
Grand Theft Auto: The Trilogy - The Definitive Edition
who would've thunk porting mobile ports to modern systems wouldn't be ideal
Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn
Kirby's Extra Epic Yarn
uglier and lacks content from the original (despite having some new modes of its own)

fine for a returning fan but not ideal for getting through the base game
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater HD
Tony Hawk's Pro Skater HD
robomodo gaming
The House of the Dead: Remake
The House of the Dead: Remake
controls poorly and looks like shit
Secret of Mana
Secret of Mana
this shit is fucking ugly!!!
Warcraft III: Reforged
Warcraft III: Reforged
what the fuck are you doing and why is this garbage the only version with multiplayer supported on battle.net - are you fucking insane?
Baroque
Baroque
thank god the original is translated now
Ape Escape: On the Loose
Ape Escape: On the Loose
have you ever wondered what it'd be like to play a game designed for two analog sticks on a console with only one?
Cave Story 3D
Cave Story 3D
there's no reason to play anything other than the original release for a multitude of reasons
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time Re-Shelled
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Turtles in Time Re-Shelled
cowa-fuckin-piece-of-dog-shit
Tales of Phantasia
Tales of Phantasia
gba version has slowdown during combat and shittier music
Resident Evil 4: Mobile Edition
Resident Evil 4: Mobile Edition
all the resident evil remakes are nothing more than alternate takes on the original games

however

this mobile port burned me out on re4 before i even played the original version. i cannot think of a release more damaging than one that disengages someone from its source material altogether

fuck you re4 mobile edition
XIII
XIII
technical shitshow which played and looked worse than the original
Tales of Symphonia Remastered
Tales of Symphonia Remastered
bad technical problems, graphical errors and frame dips
Blade Runner: Enhanced Edition
Blade Runner: Enhanced Edition
airbrushed ass game with other bad choices. backlashed so hard the devs included the original version as a free 'bonus'
Commandos 3: HD Remaster
Commandos 3: HD Remaster
when the game is identical but buggier
Double Dragon II: Wander of the Dragons
Double Dragon II: Wander of the Dragons
genuinely what the fuck happened here
BioShock
BioShock
man what the fuck is this shit. there's three of these??

101 Comments


I think Dracula X is a perfect fit here
Oh and BDSP
And RE3 and I'm done
of the 4 I played here, I agree with them all for the most part especially Majora 3D. Tho, while I do prefer the artstyle of crash 1 (psx) more, I do prefer the remake just because of the box mechanic. Crash 2 and 3 tho, originals all the way
Ik you dont seem to hate bfbb rehydrated but I honestly thought it was a pretty awful remake, I mean the warp boxes dont even animate anymore when you warp

2 months ago

Bioshock had 3 remakes on mobile phones you could add since you have Resident Evil 4 ME. 2 of those remakes end at the smugglers hideout and the ios game removes jumping and is a overall downgrade.

2 months ago

@the_gaming_dog12 dracula x is a different game from rondo of blood, bdsp isn't really unfaithful to the originals at all, re3make maybe

@nowitsreyntime17 yeah good point. added rehydrated. tho for the record i hate that game too lmao

@ideon the fuck i didn't even know this existed lmao thank you

2 months ago

FFX HD and maybe Persona 1?
Oh I was mistaken then lol, glad were in agreement. Ik we'd also agree on replicant too but probably not fitting for this type of list

2 months ago

Half-Life source is an easy inclusion imo. MGS Twin Snakes can be argued.

2 months ago

@Chandler I'm aware of all the issues with the Majora's Mask remake, but I thought the art direction was the only redeeming part of it? The only complain I've heard about it is that some areas are too clean, but otherwise things seemed pretty faithful unless there's something I forgot.

2 months ago

MGS Twin Snakes
Batman: Return to Arkham
The House of the Dead: Remake (looks really ugly and has really awkward controls)
FFX remastered (really bad new faces for the new models, FFX-2 remastered seems fine though unless I missed something)
Klonoa (Wii version)

Maybe RE3 Remake as well. While it's an okay game on its own right, I feel like it's alerted people's perception against the original, especially people who haven't even played it yet. It's an awkward in-between where it's not very faithful and leaves out a lot of what people liked about the original, but doesn't new really anything new to make up for it.

2 months ago

real goofy to put DeS but not sotc

2 months ago

Have you thought about adding SotC 2018

2 months ago

i had no idea that there was even a RE4 port. also, for the past few years, i've been trying to trudge through tales of phantasia gba and kept wondering what the hell people were talking about when they said the combat was fun. didn't realize the slowdown was limited to just the GBA version.

2 months ago

chandler do NOT fucking add twin(k) snakes pls don’t add it,,, game good!!!

2 months ago

I think Sigma 1 really deserves to be on here just for making Ryu so shiny it looks like he is wearing a big metal diaper.

2 months ago

@psi_voltekker i can't agree with p1 given our other option, but ffx hd is absolutely worthy

@kago good point. totally pointless port. mgs twin snakes is enough of a reimagining that's faithful to the original game to let it slide

@mrhoodie it's pretty unfaithful and makes majora's mask look a lot less eerie and weird. feels too much like ocarina (iirc it uses the same assets as oot3ds?)

good calls on the rest of those. re3 seems to be extremely contentious so i think i'll put it in with an asterisk on the notes

@bunyn i know everyone loves to line up with pitchforks in front of bluepoint but nonetheless i think it's extremely disingenuous to compare this to this. wander's face being a lil pudgy and some fog being missing doesn't make this game any less of a masterpiece

@averypaledog my sources tell me that game sucks ass in any context mainly due to spell pausing, but yeah you're def running the worst version

@coquettefreak yeah i dont really fuck with the twin snakes controversy. feels like just an alternate take in the same way something like re2make is. blah blah matrix memes (as if kojima isn't all about that shit to begin with)

@gruel it's mentioned in the sigma 2 note. i don't wanna shit too hard on it because it's still a viable way to play a great game (which not many people have access to nowadays) barring the annoying rachel stages

2 months ago

What's up with all the SotC (2018) recommendations

2 months ago

i will also have to vouch for persona 1 but with the asterisk that itll only really apply when the translation attempt is completed, but also p3p

2 months ago

Surprised you didn't mention that the GBA port of Phantasia added voice acting that sounded like it was coming from a talkboy buried in a basket of socks.

2 months ago

admittedly as much as i hate bdsp i'm not really sure if it completely fits the criteria of this list as it does make some improvements over the original like faster game speed, removal of hms (even if i think their solution to the issue was handled pretty lazily), and better team options than even platinum at times because of the underground wild areas
but i still think it's dogshit and a lot of those improvements came at the cost of other things and the tradeoff, for me, was not worth it in the slightest
- team wide exp share and affection bonuses can't be toggled off, and thus require stupid roundabout solutions to counteract (such as putting your team in the box or feeding them bitter medicine) if you don't want to play with mechanics that were optional only one generation ago
- free movement can be pretty janky at times. sinnoh is filled with one-tile wide gaps and pathways that can be annoying to traverse with the analog stick. d-pad movement also isn't perfect and can lead to misread inputs. the 7th gym gets completely fucked with the free movement. you can either completely cheese the puzzle or get softlocked. the gym very obviously was not designed with an analog stick in mind.
- contests got completely neutered and are now just a braindead rhythm game
- the complete disregard for platinum's extra content and improvements. i know it's not marketed as a platinum remake but i think that logic is dogshit. i think if you're remaking a game you should include shit from every version of that game, especially if you're selling the remake at a marked up price from the og
- it's just really ugly lol
then again maybe i can't speak on bdsp when i enjoyed the mario rpg remake which you could argue does some of the same things as bdsp (like making un-toggleable battle mechanics that make the game easier, or completely changing the artstyle). then again mario rpg is just a better game than base diamond and pearl and thus has less to fuck up in a remake

2 months ago

kiwami 2 cutting off an entire city and somehow managing to have worse gameplay than the original

2 months ago

@chandler Ah I see, yeah that is a significance difference in visuals there

2 months ago

Don't be a coward and add most of the Persona rereleases here (Reload, P2PSP versions, Golden, arguably Portable).

2 months ago

Ngl, I think that saying Chrono Cross and its performance issues can replace, but FFX damages because Yuna's face is different is a wild opinion

And if Dracula X gets by on being a different game, imo Ratchet is the same. More reimagining than remake

2 months ago

And also, "SotC plays the same, and the art direction is a matter of preference" vs. "Demon's Souls has borked art direction and FFX has fucked up models, damaged!" is a bit controversial no? Yes, I realize DeS differences are more significant, but it's still a matter of opinion at the end of the day

2 months ago

Blade Runner Enhanced Edition definitely should be there

2 months ago

@Artur It's not just that the faces are different in FFX HD, it's that a lot of them (not all but still) look worse. And even then, the new faces conflict with the old face animations.

2 months ago

@MrHoodie tbh, I think that's grasping at straws. The in-game cutscenes of FFX are incredibly janky. A different face model barely affects that, and I have played both versions, but there's so much jank that I couldn't even tell there was anything different about the animations


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